Not Gonna Renew

[ColonelKorn]

Received my renewal paper for C&R and I really can't see any justification to keep it. Most of the good stuff came and went before I ever got on the bandwagon, so...

[twa2471]

I just renewed mine , but I have to agree. Other that being able to order stuff wholesale from some distributors,there's not really much need for it anymore. C&R firearms have almost become a thing of the past.

One thing that would concern me about letting it go, is that I've had it sense 1974- 1975 and with all the rule changes over the years,, what paperwork I have now covering guns sold years ago,,may not necessarily comply with current laws ,,where as it did just a few years ago.

So how will things be handled in circumstances like that if I did not renew it next trip around?

,,am I a criminal now due to law/rule changes over the years by the ATF?? Even though what was done originally in my bound book,, may no longer apply,or comply with today's laws/rules covering those guns?

Will that become an issue legally , if anyone does let there FFL go????

[44044]

Keep it, you never know what is going to happen later

[ColonelKorn]

Originally Posted by 44044

Keep it, you never know what is going to happen later

Specifically referring to?

[44044]

Originally Posted by ColonelKorn

Specifically referring to?

Why, the unknown of course.

Maybe with a change in the WH, it might

become advantageous to have the C&R. ..

[ColonelKorn]

Understood

[RTO]

I received my renewal notice a few days ago. For $30 I am going to keep it.

[Rick-a-Roo]

I've kept mine going.

Not too keen on turning my C&R book over to "them" on giving it up.

[Eightball]

Originally Posted by Rick-a-Roo

I've kept mine going.

Not too keen on turning my C&R book over to "them" on giving it up.

You don't have to turn over your C&R book to anyone if you don't renew your license, you can keep it if you want or just shred it and throw it away. Like RetVet said, if you decide to get a new license later you just start a new book with whatever you purchase with your new license.

[Rick-a-Roo]

Originally Posted by Eightball

You don't have to turn over your C&R book to anyone if you don't renew your license, you can keep it if you want or just shred it and throw it away. Like RetVet said, if you decide to get a new license later you just start a new book with whatever you purchase with your new license.

It clearly states the two following items on the renewal form under the
heading "NOT RENEWING?":

1. Return this application and your firearms records
within 39 days of discontinuance of your business to:
ATF Out-Of-Business Records Center

2. I am not NOT renewing my license and will submit my records to ATF.

I guess if you don't send the form back, you don't get to sign and date that
statement.

[Eightball]

Originally Posted by Rick-a-Roo

It clearly states the two following items on the renewal form under the
heading "NOT RENEWING?":

1. Return this application and your firearms records
within 39 days of discontinuance of your business to:
ATF Out-Of-Business Records Center

2. I am not NOT renewing my license and will submit my records to ATF.

I guess if you don't send the form back, you don't get to sign and date that
statement.

That only applies for renewal of a regular FFL business license, it does not apply to an 03 C&R license because C&R is not a business.

Are licensed collectors required to turn in their acquisition/disposition records to ATF if their collector's license is not renewed or they discontinue their collecting activity?

No. The GCA requires the delivery of required records to the Government within 30 days after a firearms “business” is discontinued. A license as a collector of curios or relics does not authorize any business with respect to firearms. Therefore, the records required to be kept by licensed collectors under the law and regulations are not business records and are not required to be turned in to ATF when collectors’ licenses are not renewed or collecting activity under such licenses is discontinued.

[18 U.S.C. 923(g)(4), 27 CFR 478.127]

https://www.atf.gov/content/are-lice...s-atf-if-their

[Rick-a-Roo]

Originally Posted by Eightball

That only applies for renewal of a regular FFL business license, it does not apply to an 03 C&R license because C&R is not a business.

https://www.atf.gov/content/are-lice...s-atf-if-their

Thanks for the clarification, Eightball. I am very relieved to read that.

[RetVet]

I allowed mine to expire a few years ago and with that my old bound book became history. I then applied again a year or more later and with that started a new bound book.

I just applied for renewal last week. I don't have much in my current bound book and that's the way I like it. If C&R stuff begins to flow again I'll start collecting again then reevaluate if I need to allow the license to expire again.

The bottom line is I don't intend to invite the ATF to my home to review my book and collection and would rather not have to haul a lot to their office to complete an inspection.

You know there is a lot more stuff out there. It's just a matter of getting the communists out of Washington again.

[ColonelKorn]

I honestly wish I hadn't gotten it in the first place.

[Bluntforce]

I'm thinking about getting one.