French Berthier 8mm Lebel - Page 2

TheMrMitch · 11-12-2011, 10:33 PM

Can you get ammo for the Vetterli? That's the only thing keeping me from getting one.

Airforce1 · 11-13-2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMrMitch

Can you get ammo for the Vetterli? That's the only thing keeping me from getting one.

My Vetterli is converted to 6.5 Carcano but you will have to have some reduced cast load made for it. It is a black powder rifles converted to a smokeless one so you have to be careful.

Czubek · 12-20-2011, 09:35 AM

Those converted Vetterlis probably killed more behind the lines, than in front. Those we're el cheapo conversions for the rear echelon personnel. Something about the liner shooting out of the barrel.

BUT, they're still an interesting piece of history and besides, they look goofy with the Carcano magazine. hanging down in front of the trigger guard.

Brian

p-38 · 01-05-2012, 06:31 PM

I picked a carbine at a auction a couple of years ago, I think I payed like 150$ for it. After many attempts to identify this one I had many problems doing so.It was not produced at mat or mas but at. Et Continsouza as the receaver is marked, has left barrel band loop upfront for a sling with the rear left side of stock has sling bar cut into it. Also has top hand guard and later ww1 period notch front sight, then it has the double stock bolts for and aft of the receiver. Also the m16 5rd extended mag, but the thing that throws me is the extra long bent bolt and half cock semisafty (imo) of the early cav carbine. This rife is in about 85% overall condition in regards to original finish (love the tiger stripe looking wood stock). I thought a mix parts gun but all parts match the serial # except the barrel witch was replaced in the 30's as it is dated and the balle N stamp was added. Why I bought it was simple the very low serial number of the gun, around number 300 . Is it a artillery carbine cavalry carbine m1915 m16 or what, I was thinking a1892 carbine conversion to m16 but my sorce lists this gun as produced by mas or mat not who it says on receiver. I know these are dime a dozen guns but i still have the exact identity eating away at me. Other then that I only wish I had a 5 round clip and some of that privi ammo the no one has on stock ever. Well a couple do if you wanna pay way to much for it. Thanks to all who can help.

p-38 · 01-05-2012, 06:52 PM

I picked a carbine at a auction a couple of years ago, I think I payed like 150$ for it. After many attempts to identify this one I had many problems doing so.It was not produced at mat or mas but at. Et Continsouza as the receaver is marked, has left barrel band loop upfront for a sling with the rear left side of stock has sling bar cut into it. Also has top hand guard and later ww1 period notch front sight, then it has the double stock bolts for and aft of the receiver. Also the m16 5rd extended mag, but the thing that throws me is the extra long bent bolt and half cock semisafty (imo) of the early cav carbine. This rife is in about 85% overall condition in regards to original finish (love the tiger stripe looking wood stock). I thought a mix parts gun but all parts match the serial # except the barrel witch was replaced in the 30's as it is dated and the balle N stamp was added. Why I bought it was simple the very low serial number of the gun, around number 300 . Is it a artillery carbine cavalry carbine m1915 m16 or what, I was thinking a1892 carbine conversion to m16 but my sorce lists this gun as produced by mas or mat not who it says on receiver. I know these are dime a dozen guns but i still have the exact identity eating away at me. Other then that I only wish I had a 5 round clip and some of that privi ammo the no one has on stock ever. Well a couple do if you wanna pay way to much for it. Thanks to all who can help.

p-38 · 02-26-2012, 10:04 PM

Still no ammo dang it.

gunnysmith · 02-26-2012, 10:24 PM

http://www.targetsportsusa.com/p-239...box-of-20.aspx

Prvi Partizan 8mm Lebel ammo for sale is a new production ammo that features 200 Grain FMJ bullet. 8mm Lebel PPU ammo is reloadable, features brass cases and Boxer primers. This ammunition is non-corrosive. Order a case of PPU 8mm Lebel ammo bulk by Prvi Partizan, receive free shipping...

p-38 · 02-27-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnysmith

http://www.targetsportsusa.com/p-239...box-of-20.aspx

Prvi Partizan 8mm Lebel ammo for sale is a new production ammo that features 200 Grain FMJ bullet. 8mm Lebel PPU ammo is reloadable, features brass cases and Boxer primers. This ammunition is non-corrosive. Order a case of PPU 8mm Lebel ammo bulk by Prvi Partizan, receive free shipping...

Thanks alot gunny, I know where a bit of this weeks pay is headed.

Havoc308 · 02-29-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnysmith

http://www.targetsportsusa.com/p-239...box-of-20.aspx

Prvi Partizan 8mm Lebel ammo for sale is a new production ammo that features 200 Grain FMJ bullet. 8mm Lebel PPU ammo is reloadable, features brass cases and Boxer primers. This ammunition is non-corrosive. Order a case of PPU 8mm Lebel ammo bulk by Prvi Partizan, receive free shipping...

Some PPU cases are only marginally reloadable due to thin brass. I have about 200 useless 6.5 Grendel cases made by PPU that once resized don't have enough neck tension to hold a bullet at all.

gunnysmith · 02-29-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Havoc308

Some PPU cases are only marginally reloadable due to thin brass. I have about 200 useless 6.5 Grendel cases made by PPU that once resized don't have enough neck tension to hold a bullet at all.

Lee factory crimp die

Havoc308 · 03-03-2012, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by gunnysmith

Lee factory crimp die

Won't work. The bullets just drop all the way to the powder. My calipers won't fit in the case neck to measure it but all the bullets do measure out at .264... Would you use the crimp die before seating the bullet?????

gunnysmith · 03-03-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Havoc308

Won't work. The bullets just drop all the way to the powder. My calipers won't fit in the case neck to measure it but all the bullets do measure out at .264... Would you use the crimp die before seating the bullet?????

Try this, size a fired case without an expander plug, while you're at it measure the expander plug to see if that's the problem.

gunnysmith · 03-03-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Havoc308

Won't work. The bullets just drop all the way to the powder. My calipers won't fit in the case neck to measure it but all the bullets do measure out at .264... Would you use the crimp die before seating the bullet?????

Try this, size one fired case without an expander plug, while you're at it measure the expander plug to see if that's the problem.
Hornady makes different size expander balls for the 6.5 calibers.
There were quite a few variations in 6.5 calibers of all kinds

Havoc308 · 03-03-2012, 01:55 PM

I definitively know this is an issue with the PPU brass. I resize Lapua and Hornady 6.5 Grendel brass, and Winchester 7.62x39 brass for fireforming without any issues whatsoever. I am using a Forster full length and ultra seating die.

11-12-2011, 10:33 PM	#16
TheMrMitch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Rhome Texas Wise County Posts: 2,668	Can you get ammo for the Vetterli? That's the only thing keeping me from getting one. __________________ Youth And Brawn Are No Match For Age And Treachery. I'm Old And Might Not Fight You. I'll Shoot Instead, USMC 1959/1963 3% The sun shines bright in the old Kentucky home, 'Tis summer, the darkies are gay,

12-20-2011, 09:35 AM	#18
Czubek slug Join Date: May 2007 Location: Stover, Missouri Posts: 33,622	Those converted Vetterlis probably killed more behind the lines, than in front. Those we're el cheapo conversions for the rear echelon personnel. Something about the liner shooting out of the barrel. BUT, they're still an interesting piece of history and besides, they look goofy with the Carcano magazine. hanging down in front of the trigger guard. Brian __________________ 3 Here at the Dirty Dozen's Bunker, we have no problems, only solutions.

02-26-2012, 10:24 PM	#22
gunnysmith Fear what you cannot see Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 6,730	http://www.targetsportsusa.com/p-239...box-of-20.aspx Prvi Partizan 8mm Lebel ammo for sale is a new production ammo that features 200 Grain FMJ bullet. 8mm Lebel PPU ammo is reloadable, features brass cases and Boxer primers. This ammunition is non-corrosive. Order a case of PPU 8mm Lebel ammo bulk by Prvi Partizan, receive free shipping... __________________ Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. H. L. Mencken

01-05-2012, 06:31 PM	#19
p-38 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Vermont, in the middle of nowhere. Really. Posts: 229	I picked a carbine at a auction a couple of years ago, I think I payed like 150$ for it. After many attempts to identify this one I had many problems doing so.It was not produced at mat or mas but at. Et Continsouza as the receaver is marked, has left barrel band loop upfront for a sling with the rear left side of stock has sling bar cut into it. Also has top hand guard and later ww1 period notch front sight, then it has the double stock bolts for and aft of the receiver. Also the m16 5rd extended mag, but the thing that throws me is the extra long bent bolt and half cock semisafty (imo) of the early cav carbine. This rife is in about 85% overall condition in regards to original finish (love the tiger stripe looking wood stock). I thought a mix parts gun but all parts match the serial # except the barrel witch was replaced in the 30's as it is dated and the balle N stamp was added. Why I bought it was simple the very low serial number of the gun, around number 300 . Is it a artillery carbine cavalry carbine m1915 m16 or what, I was thinking a1892 carbine conversion to m16 but my sorce lists this gun as produced by mas or mat not who it says on receiver. I know these are dime a dozen guns but i still have the exact identity eating away at me. Other then that I only wish I had a 5 round clip and some of that privi ammo the no one has on stock ever. Well a couple do if you wanna pay way to much for it. Thanks to all who can help.

01-05-2012, 06:52 PM	#20
p-38 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Vermont, in the middle of nowhere. Really. Posts: 229	I picked a carbine at a auction a couple of years ago, I think I payed like 150$ for it. After many attempts to identify this one I had many problems doing so.It was not produced at mat or mas but at. Et Continsouza as the receaver is marked, has left barrel band loop upfront for a sling with the rear left side of stock has sling bar cut into it. Also has top hand guard and later ww1 period notch front sight, then it has the double stock bolts for and aft of the receiver. Also the m16 5rd extended mag, but the thing that throws me is the extra long bent bolt and half cock semisafty (imo) of the early cav carbine. This rife is in about 85% overall condition in regards to original finish (love the tiger stripe looking wood stock). I thought a mix parts gun but all parts match the serial # except the barrel witch was replaced in the 30's as it is dated and the balle N stamp was added. Why I bought it was simple the very low serial number of the gun, around number 300 . Is it a artillery carbine cavalry carbine m1915 m16 or what, I was thinking a1892 carbine conversion to m16 but my sorce lists this gun as produced by mas or mat not who it says on receiver. I know these are dime a dozen guns but i still have the exact identity eating away at me. Other then that I only wish I had a 5 round clip and some of that privi ammo the no one has on stock ever. Well a couple do if you wanna pay way to much for it. Thanks to all who can help.

02-26-2012, 10:04 PM	#21
p-38 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Vermont, in the middle of nowhere. Really. Posts: 229	Still no ammo dang it.

03-03-2012, 01:55 PM	#29
Havoc308 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Hell's Ditch, SC Posts: 638	I definitively know this is an issue with the PPU brass. I resize Lapua and Hornady 6.5 Grendel brass, and Winchester 7.62x39 brass for fireforming without any issues whatsoever. I am using a Forster full length and ultra seating die.