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Old 08-07-2020, 09:22 AM   #1
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Two years ago I had that big 20 X 30 pergola built and had 6X6 posts encased in concrete. They are all rotten to hell. Sure they were pressure treated or so they said, I saw them before going in and looked like they were. I guess their pressure treatment is no match for South Florida.

Today I have a guy here replacing them with steel posts and also installing a 30' 2X6 inch steel beam at the end to hold the rafters. It's going to be quite a job as the base needs a 24X24 inch concrete foundation with the post base attached and then the posts welded in place. Told the guy, make it last for 15-20 years and that's all I'm going to last.
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Well that is disappointing - only 2 years.

In Utah we find that treated wood warps like crazy. For the beams of our deck, we used southern pine. It is supposed to have some oil in it that prevents rot, without the warping. It is only a year old so we will see.
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aviator their is a guy up here I got all my wood from that has his own mill. I don't know squat about it but he was explaining pressure treating. He showed me his board and Home Depot's.
He has his treated at 4 times the pressure as HD and charges less for his. They put it in big vats he said and really do put it under pressure. More pressure better the P.T.
I used his on the boat house some exposed to water and 15 yrs later its as solid as the day the guys built it.
Home Dep. PT I think they spray it on charge you extra and call it good.
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That sucks big time. The concrete must have held the moisture in the wood. Unless you buy marine grade pressure treated wood it won't last 5 years with ground contact IMO.

My daughters' fort that I built over 30 years ago is still standing and in good shape. I bought the wood from Home Depot when the pressure treatment still used arsenic.

Last year we had our bulkhead at the lake replaced. The treated wood had a CCA treament with a percentage of .4 rated for freshwater or ground contact. You can't buy that wood at a big box store though.
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Two years ago I had that big 20 X 30 pergola built and had 6X6 posts encased in concrete. They are all rotten to hell. Sure they were pressure treated or so they said, I saw them before going in and looked like they were. I guess their pressure treatment is no match for South Florida.

Today I have a guy here replacing them with steel posts and also installing a 30' 2X6 inch steel beam at the end to hold the rafters. It's going to be quite a job as the base needs a 24X24 inch concrete foundation with the post base attached and then the posts welded in place. Told the guy, make it last for 15-20 years and that's all I'm going to last.
Home Depot wood is hit and miss , and
that , paesan , is Home Depot on it's best day.
I go through each piece carefully.

I have a warehouse that I go to for my
projects that require more exotic woods
such as cherry , mahogany, walnut , etc ,
and they are excellent, but again , air go
through each piece with a fine tooth comb .

Below are pix of a custom guitar rack I made
for a client from cherry and mahogany, with
walnut sides and an acacia wood walking stick
for a cross bar .
The 3/4" walnut sides came out excellent.
No stain on the cherry or walnut .
Just 10 coats of poly only .
MinWax Early American stain on the mahogany
followed by 10 coats of poly .

I included a pic of the mahogany finished but
before assembly . Beautiful wood .
All of the woods at the jernt I go to are excellent .
You're going to pay , but you get top quality.

The other pix is a make up box I made from
5/4 cherry for Jamie . Stain and poly .

Next project is a cherry , mahogany, walnut
bedroom chest for my daughter's new home
which will be complete around Thanksgiving.

Pressure treated wood is effective , but
living in Southern Florida is a horse of
a different color for construction wood
and many other things for that matter.

I would imagine you would be better of
with brick , block , concrete and steel I-beams
for many projects in your neck of the woods ,
due to tropical heat and storms.

Journey well,
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That sucks big time. The concrete must have held the moisture in the wood. Unless you buy marine grade pressure treated wood it won't last 5 years with ground contact IMO.

My daughters' fort that I built over 30 years ago is still standing and in good shape. I bought the wood from Home Depot when the pressure treatment still used arsenic.

Last year we had our bulkhead at the lake replaced. The treated wood had a CCA treament with a percentage of .4 rated for freshwater or ground contact. You can't buy that wood at a big box store though.
I would refer to RTO , or my Brother In Law
( Naples , Fla ) in these matter , due to their
experience in navigating tropical terrain .

My BIL does anything interior or exterior in
top quality, expert , custom wood work .

He isn't that far from you .
I could put you in contact with him .

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Have gun for hire, bodyguard, wood worker, can play guitar and sings good. Your a talented guy Merc good job on those pieces.

RTO yes on the arsenic treated wood. The underside of the tree house is all arsenic treated and looks like the day it was built.
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Have gun for hire, bodyguard, wood worker, can play guitar and sings good. Your a talented guy Merc good job on those pieces.

RTO yes on the arsenic treated wood. The underside of the tree house is all arsenic treated and looks like the day it was built.
Thank you very much .
I like doing different things.
Just don't ask me to do the plumbing .
I need some proper training in that.
I'm notorious for breaking everything when I do it.

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Home Depot stores get their wood from nearby lumberyards. The wood you get from a Home Depot in one area may be different in quality than a Home Depot in a different area.
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Hey Merc, you've got some woodworking talent. Naples is two hours away, too far for a job. My son knows this guy from several worksites, steel frame guy, he already unloaded all the material and tools, Saturday he spends with his daughters, Sunday is church day, he'll get started on Monday, southamerican guy but he's been here all his life. Keep fingers crossed. All I have to do will be to get the paint and paint it the same color as everything else, he'll prime it first. Some heavy 4x4 square posts 1/4 inch thick, those are going nowhere.
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I like the idea of building it out of steel.
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If U are using treated wood like walmanized pressure treated stuff...get a bucket of the same solution and paint all end cuts and any cuts u make in the wood...we had to do that in Hawaii because of the Thailand termites that came in on crates...they will eat a piece of wood leaving only the outside shell, paper thin, looking like it's still there...from the inside...only thing that saves some homes is the are tinder and can't survive above 5c' above sea level.
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Home Depot wood is hit and miss , and
that , paesan , is Home Depot on it's best day.
I go through each piece carefully.

I have a warehouse that I go to for my
projects that require more exotic woods
such as cherry , mahogany, walnut , etc ,
and they are excellent, but again , air go
through each piece with a fine tooth comb .

Below are pix of a custom guitar rack I made
for a client from cherry and mahogany, with
walnut sides and an acacia wood walking stick
for a cross bar .
The 3/4" walnut sides came out excellent.
No stain on the cherry or walnut .
Just 10 coats of poly only .
MinWax Early American stain on the mahogany
followed by 10 coats of poly .

I included a pic of the mahogany finished but
before assembly . Beautiful wood .
All of the woods at the jernt I go to are excellent .
You're going to pay , but you get top quality.

The other pix is a make up box I made from
5/4 cherry for Jamie . Stain and poly .

Next project is a cherry , mahogany, walnut
bedroom chest for my daughter's new home
which will be complete around Thanksgiving.

Pressure treated wood is effective , but
living in Southern Florida is a horse of
a different color for construction wood
and many other things for that matter.

I would imagine you would be better of
with brick , block , concrete and steel I-beams
for many projects in your neck of the woods ,
due to tropical heat and storms.

Journey well,
MERC
Nice Merc..what kind of guitars are going in it? Will you have adjustable spacers?? I just knocked my stand together with 2x4's and leave it in the spare bedroom. Most are kept in their cases. That wood is NICE!!
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Hey Merc, you've got some woodworking talent. Naples is two hours away, too far for a job. My son knows this guy from several worksites, steel frame guy, he already unloaded all the material and tools, Saturday he spends with his daughters, Sunday is church day, he'll get started on Monday, southamerican guy but he's been here all his life. Keep fingers crossed. All I have to do will be to get the paint and paint it the same color as everything else, he'll prime it first. Some heavy 4x4 square posts 1/4 inch thick, those are going nowhere.
Thank you.
It looks like you're set up.
If you need my BIL in the future,
let me know.

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Nice Merc..what kind of guitars are going in it? Will you have adjustable spacers?? I just knocked my stand together with 2x4's and leave it in the spare bedroom. Most are kept in their cases. That wood is NICE!!
Thank you .
She has a Martin acoustic ,
a Fender Telecaster, ( tweed case )
a Tanglewood acoustic ,
and a new Taylor 814 Grand Auditorium ,
that is a modern work of art.
I will hang her ukelele on the wall.
That's where she wants it.

No spacers needed .
Everything stands nicely in hard shell cases.
The acacia wood crossbar is beautiful ,
two tone wood , and holds them in .

I sifted through stacks of mahogany, cherry and walnut
to find the exact 1 inch x 12ft and 13ft boards I wanted ,
with enough left over to make her a trinket box.
I cut the sides with a jig saw from 3/4" x 8ft x 4ft walnut .
Side by side 2x4's under the bottom and 2x4 braces
in the back out of sight , stained and poly'ed.

The 2 boards were around $6 per foot = around $140.
( a very good price for the quality of mahogany I got )
The 3/4" x 8ft x 4ft walnut was $145
I have leftover walnut also.

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