Aaahhhh did I make a terrible mistake? centuryarms question....

p-38 · 06-06-2012, 02:04 PM

Hi, all hope the days are warm and bright for ya all. Well now to the almost a problem, problem. Yesterday I was at the shop and I decided I wanted a new AK, so I shopped around a bit, and decided on a new yugo PAP from century arms. Now I have herd many good things about these guns, but read a disturbing claim from an AK site that seems to harp on Century arms alot. What they said was that when century opens up the single stack mags they mill part of the trunnion out with it and it makes the guns week and prone to have the trunnion split. Now after reviewing this site it seems this guy only endorsement is for eather a chinese or a maadi Ak, he says they are the best ect. Now I had owned a type 56 Ak by norinco, sold it, it was ok but not the super AK this guys says they are. Honestly the guns parts llok like they were milled buy child labor, I have seen WASR models with better milling. Sorry for the side track, but thats my personal experience with them. I also think while never really owning one, the Maadi while built on Russian machines has a poor finish. You can see this very clearly on this site's pics of the gun, while he brags them up. Would I own eather 1 again, probably as collectable guns. But the problem for today is the Pap trunnion, should I cancel the order and het a AES-10 rpk instead. Really though, I have seen and had a WASR single stack milled out, and it did not touch the trunnion, only the plates that were welded inside the receiver that were put there to stable the sigle stack mag. I know yugo uses a Rpk trunnion but are they that different that you have to mill it out that much to accept a double stack mag. This seems far fetched to me, why would Zastava let century do this to their guns before selling them if its that bad of a thing? I would think they would say no your gonna crap on my name, and give a reputation for bad guns. I just dont know what to do now, buy or go on? Man if only that m62s valmet in 5.56 would appear in the shop for like a couple grand instead of the even more then 2000$ (outrageous price I know) for a used example in good condition. I saw one at auction (man such a nice gun) sell for almost 3000$. Bet Interarms wish they still had a bunch of em! Any who what ya all think on the PAP trunnion issue. Maybe someone owns one or has handled one?

gunnysmith · 06-06-2012, 09:16 PM

In the various ramblings, it's difficult to determine what you want.
Paragraphs are your friend.

GARANDNUT · 06-06-2012, 09:36 PM

If you are asking if a Century is a good ak, all i can tell you is I have one and it is nicely made. Shoots and functions reliably as well.

p-38 · 06-07-2012, 03:36 AM

Sorry, Simply put, Is the century pap rifle gonna split on me over time. Being that they supposedly, mill out part of the trunnion when opening it up for the high cap mags. I don't see why they would have too touch it, but on the other hand I have no clue how a single stack yugo trunnion is set up. I have just herd how weak the "opened up" guns are due to the milling. Just a little worried thats all.

2rogers · 06-07-2012, 04:28 AM

i dont understand how therre would be much if any structural difference between a hole stamped into heavy sheet metal, and a good mill job opening a hole to the same dimensions. jmho

pfalz2 · 06-07-2012, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p-38

Sorry, Simply put, Is the century pap rifle gonna split on me over time. Being that they supposedly, mill out part of the trunnion when opening it up for the high cap mags. I don't see why they would have too touch it, but on the other hand I have no clue how a single stack yugo trunnion is set up. I have just herd how weak the "opened up" guns are due to the milling. Just a little worried thats all.

I'm only going by the pics that I've seen. By those Pics I would say the milling is not
going to cause cracks. Having said that, general practice is that, any cuts in highly stressed parts in steel, should have smooth rounded edges. I don't know the stress that part of the trunnion is subjected to, IMHO it is likely not enough to worry about. It seems to me the mill work brings the rear part of the trunnion close to the standard trunnion that was/is available in the ak-47 parts kits.
for the legal disclaimer, my opinion only and I can take no responsibility for your actions on this matter

Here are two links showing the milling done,
xxx.ak47.net/forums/t_4_64/142188_The_New_M70Yugo_PAP.html

xxx.okshooters.com/showthread.php?136130-World-s-best-Zastaza-PAP-AK-47-conversion-from-Two-Rivers-Arms

The two rivers shows better milling technique, IMHO.

pfalz2 · 06-07-2012, 05:02 AM

Regarding the rpk, I recently did some trading and selling, acquired a AES 10B. The AES 10B is what you want, not the AES 10
Your talking about a slightly different animals here. Do some searching on the 'net for differences between the two.

06-06-2012, 02:04 PM	#1
p-38 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Vermont, in the middle of nowhere. Really. Posts: 229	Aaahhhh did I make a terrible mistake? centuryarms question.... Hi, all hope the days are warm and bright for ya all. Well now to the almost a problem, problem. Yesterday I was at the shop and I decided I wanted a new AK, so I shopped around a bit, and decided on a new yugo PAP from century arms. Now I have herd many good things about these guns, but read a disturbing claim from an AK site that seems to harp on Century arms alot. What they said was that when century opens up the single stack mags they mill part of the trunnion out with it and it makes the guns week and prone to have the trunnion split. Now after reviewing this site it seems this guy only endorsement is for eather a chinese or a maadi Ak, he says they are the best ect. Now I had owned a type 56 Ak by norinco, sold it, it was ok but not the super AK this guys says they are. Honestly the guns parts llok like they were milled buy child labor, I have seen WASR models with better milling. Sorry for the side track, but thats my personal experience with them. I also think while never really owning one, the Maadi while built on Russian machines has a poor finish. You can see this very clearly on this site's pics of the gun, while he brags them up. Would I own eather 1 again, probably as collectable guns. But the problem for today is the Pap trunnion, should I cancel the order and het a AES-10 rpk instead. Really though, I have seen and had a WASR single stack milled out, and it did not touch the trunnion, only the plates that were welded inside the receiver that were put there to stable the sigle stack mag. I know yugo uses a Rpk trunnion but are they that different that you have to mill it out that much to accept a double stack mag. This seems far fetched to me, why would Zastava let century do this to their guns before selling them if its that bad of a thing? I would think they would say no your gonna crap on my name, and give a reputation for bad guns. I just dont know what to do now, buy or go on? Man if only that m62s valmet in 5.56 would appear in the shop for like a couple grand instead of the even more then 2000$ (outrageous price I know) for a used example in good condition. I saw one at auction (man such a nice gun) sell for almost 3000$. Bet Interarms wish they still had a bunch of em! Any who what ya all think on the PAP trunnion issue. Maybe someone owns one or has handled one?

06-06-2012, 09:16 PM	#2
gunnysmith Fear what you cannot see Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 6,730	In the various ramblings, it's difficult to determine what you want. Paragraphs are your friend. __________________ Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. H. L. Mencken

06-06-2012, 09:36 PM	#3
GARANDNUT Pontificator Maximus Join Date: May 2006 Location: between the hills Posts: 8,724	If you are asking if a Century is a good ak, all i can tell you is I have one and it is nicely made. Shoots and functions reliably as well.

06-07-2012, 03:36 AM	#4
p-38 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Vermont, in the middle of nowhere. Really. Posts: 229	Sorry, Simply put, Is the century pap rifle gonna split on me over time. Being that they supposedly, mill out part of the trunnion when opening it up for the high cap mags. I don't see why they would have too touch it, but on the other hand I have no clue how a single stack yugo trunnion is set up. I have just herd how weak the "opened up" guns are due to the milling. Just a little worried thats all.

06-07-2012, 04:28 AM	#5
2rogers Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,504	i dont understand how therre would be much if any structural difference between a hole stamped into heavy sheet metal, and a good mill job opening a hole to the same dimensions. jmho

06-07-2012, 05:02 AM	#7
pfalz2 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 23,435	Regarding the rpk, I recently did some trading and selling, acquired a AES 10B. The AES 10B is what you want, not the AES 10 Your talking about a slightly different animals here. Do some searching on the 'net for differences between the two.