Glock replacement

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My 1911 fell out of its holster hard enough to chip the tile in my kitchen and didn't go off. Want your gun to be "drop safe"? Don't drop it and it'll be safe!

Of course, that didn't work on a friend of my dad's whose .45 Colt Peacemaker fell out the holster in a pickup truck and went off (it was an old model with 6 in the cylinder). Bullet went in his ass cheek and came out his shoulder then bounced around in the cab. He showed me the scars.

Don’t think anybody goes out with the intention of dropping it, but when the topic of how safe a design is, it has to be pointed out. Glad nobody got hurt when you dropped your 1911! Many companies use heavier firing pin springs to mitigate risk.

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I'm no expert on 1911s but if my memory serves the series 70 has no firing pin block but the series 80 does. I may be misremembering. I no longer own any 1911s.

Yes, the S80 guns have a firing pin block to be drop-safe. It adds some parts that have been known to fail over the years and turn the 1911 into a paperweight.

The S80 came along when there was a push away from revolvers to semi-automatics for LE in the 1980s during which time, liability was at the forefront. It seems that most went the way of DA/SA pistols.

[Sanders]

My 1911 fell out of its holster hard enough to chip the tile in my kitchen and didn't go off. Want your gun to be "drop safe"? Don't drop it and it'll be safe!

Of course, that didn't work on a friend of my dad's whose .45 Colt Peacemaker fell out the holster in a pickup truck and went off (it was an old model with 6 in the cylinder). Bullet went in his ass cheek and came out his shoulder then bounced around in the cab. He showed me the scars.

[10-32]

While I love them, 1911s aren’t drop-safe. Glocks only go off if you pull the trigger. Don’t do that, there won’t be no problems.

1911s can fire from dropping, bumping too hard, and more importantly, they can fail to fire for a whole host of reasons, too.

I'm no expert on 1911s but if my memory serves the series 70 has no firing pin block but the series 80 does. I may be misremembering. I no longer own any 1911s.

[graynote]

Here is a part by part movie showing how a Glock works...too many things can wear out or get dirty and stop functioning as engineers designed them to work...too complicated, the more parts involved the higher the risk of something going wrong.

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Glock has fewer parts than almost any other pistol. Depending on Generation, Glocks have 34 parts.

Smith & Wesson M&Ps have 46 parts.

A 1911 has around 58/59/60 parts to function depending on who made it.

Beretta 92s have 65 parts, and a CZ75 has 67.



When the US military went to replace the 1911, the Sig and Berettas could fire twice as many rounds between failures as 1911s.

When the M9 was replaced, the Glock was more durable and reliable than any pistol the US military had ever tested. Contract went to Sig for the P320, which wasn’t as reliable; which has 52 parts for the standard model and 56 parts for the manual safety model.

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I, like many here have been handling toys for 60 years or more, perhaps I'm old fashioned but to say a Glock is safer than a 1911 is a bit far fetched, Guns are like aviation, very unforgiving if you fuck up and most AD's are finger induced and guns are not to be dropped.

While I love them, 1911s aren’t drop-safe. Glocks only go off if you pull the trigger. Don’t do that, there won’t be no problems.

1911s can fire from dropping, bumping too hard, and more importantly, they can fail to fire for a whole host of reasons, too.

[dinkydow]

Glocks are about the safest pistol you can own. You follow the rules of gun safety you won’t have a problem. The guns can be tossed out of a helo and won’t discharge.

in fact, Glocks are much safer than 1911 S70s, CZ Shadow series guns, etc. Many, many guns aren’t drop safe and having a hammer and a manual safety don’t absolve you of good gun handling. A guy took a round from a CZ Shadow 2 last year at a match. He’s no longer with us.

If the Glock goes bang, it’s because your booger hook was on the bang switch.

Personally, the H&K P30 Light LEM is my pick.

BINGO! Pick up your raisin pie prize...at our convenience stand.

[Sanders]

On Thanksgiving, my nephew showed up with a new Glock clone. I don't remember the maker, as there are so many of them out there now. It was brand new. He'd just bought it the day before and hadn't fired it, yet. He put a mag through it, then his dad put a mag through it then it was my turn to check it out. I fired 3 shots and the 4th didn't go off. I figured it probably didn't get picked up, but kept my finger off the trigger and the pistol pointed downrange out of habit in case of a hangfire. Good thing I did, because about 10 seconds later, it went off. It wasn't a hangfire round, it was a hungup striker that let go even though my finger was not on the trigger at all. After that, I cleared the pistol and handed it to my nephew and told him he should probably break it down and clean it really well as maybe there was some machining debris stuck inside the mechanism.

The next day, he brought it out and put several mags through it with no issues.

[10-32]

Why yes it is, Sir.

LOL just bustin your stones. I'm actually eyeballing that Ruger RXM. I need another plastic striker fired 9 like a hole in the head but still...something about it.

[DennisH]

Is that John Wick's retarded brother?

Why yes it is, Sir.

[10-32]

I used to be a Glack fan boy and still have some....until the day I shot a CZ. Currently carry a P10c and the grip angle suits me much better than the Glack. The wife has a Cajun Gunworks customized CZ P09 with upgraded trigger and Deltapoint Pro which she loves. We also have the CZ Shadow2 and that gun is amazing, in my opinion. Fantastic trigger, smooth as silk and makes me feel like George Wick

Is that John Wick's retarded brother?

[DennisH]

I used to be a Glack fan boy and still have some....until the day I shot a CZ. Currently carry a P10c and the grip angle suits me much better than the Glack. The wife has a Cajun Gunworks customized CZ P09 with upgraded trigger and Deltapoint Pro which she loves. We also have the CZ Shadow2 and that gun is amazing, in my opinion. Fantastic trigger, smooth as silk and makes me feel like George Wick

[aviator]

Here is a part by part movie showing how a Glock works...too many things can wear out or get dirty and stop functioning as engineers designed them to work...too complicated, the more parts involved the higher the risk of something going wrong.

https://www.google.com/search?q=glock+mechanism&sca_esv=5af90e32ed90c178&source=hp&ei=DHx2Z9XDM56HwbkPwpiHwAs&iflsig=AL9hbdgAAAAAZ3aKHExXg5fNJ36ee-47lbbRD3ETPmUz&ved=0ahUKEwjV-evy-taKAxWeQzABHULMAbgQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=glock+mechanism&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6Ig9nbG9jayBtZWNoYW5pc20yBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB5I8DFQkAlY3S5wAXgAkAEAmAFcoAHgCKoBAjE1uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIQoALjCagCCsICChAAGAMY6gIYjwHCAhEQLhiABBixAxjRAxiDARjHAcICCxAAGIAEGLEDGIMBwgIIEAAYgAQYsQPCAg4QABiABBixAxiDARiKBcICCxAuGIAEGLEDGIMBwgIOEC4YgAQYsQMYgwEY1ALCAggQLhiABBixA8ICBRAuGIAEwgIOEC4YgAQYsQMY0QMYxwHCAgsQLhiABBjHARivAZgDBPEFV6-Ot6AeoAOSBwQxNC4yoAfKdQ&sclient=gws-wiz#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:d5aa74d1,vid:V2RDitgCaD0,st:0

[aviator]

Glocks are about the safest pistol you can own. You follow the rules of gun safety you won’t have a problem. The guns can be tossed out of a helo and won’t discharge.

in fact, Glocks are much safer than 1911 S70s, CZ Shadow series guns, etc. Many, many guns aren’t drop safe and having a hammer and a manual safety don’t absolve you of good gun handling. A guy took a round from a CZ Shadow 2 last year at a match. He’s no longer with us.

If the Glock goes bang, it’s because your booger hook was on the bang switch.

Personally, the H&K P30 Light LEM is my pick.

I, like many here have been handling toys for 60 years or more, perhaps I'm old fashioned but to say a Glock is safer than a 1911 is a bit far fetched, Guns are like aviation, very unforgiving if you fuck up and most AD's are finger induced and guns are not to be dropped.

[graynote]

Teaching pistol classes I’ve seen lots of folks forget to decock their DA/SA guns, seen 1911s go back in holsters without their safety on…