Sig P320/M17/M18 Banned at local range

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  • Sanders
    Moderator
    • Oct 2024
    • 1007

    Sig P320/M17/M18 Banned at local range

    Too many AD's on this pistol. Apparently, Sig tweaked it away from its original design which made it unreliable, on top of Sig moving production of it to Turkey.
    If you carry one of these pointing at your pecker and family jewels, you might want to keep an empty chamber.

    An e-mail I received today:

    Dear XXXXXXXXX Customers,

    At XXXXXXXXXX, your safety is—and always has been—our highest priority. We’re writing to inform you of an important policy change regarding the use of the SIG Sauer P320 at our facility.Effective immediately, XXXXXXXXXX will no longer allow the use of the SIG Sauer P320/M17/M18 and all variants on our premises, whether you personally own it or it is your agency issued duty pistol.

    Why We’re Making This Decision

    While the P320 has been a popular firearm among civilian and professional shooters, we cannot ignore the mounting safety concerns surrounding its design and performance—even after SIG Sauer’s Voluntary Upgrade Program. Despite the internal component updates intended to reduce unintentional discharges, the core design of the P320's Fire Control Unit (FCU) continues to draw scrutiny.
    • A tragic accidental discharge at Warren Air Force Base recently resulted in the death of an airman, further raising concerns about the platform's reliability.
    • Multiple law enforcement agencies across the U.S.—at both the state and federal level—have taken the step of removing the P320 from service, citing similar safety risks.
    • Numerous reputable shooting ranges nationwide have also banned the P320, pending further action and transparency from SIG Sauer.
    • At XXXXXXXXX, we believe no amount of popularity or brand recognition can outweigh the responsibility we have to protect every individual who steps onto our range. While many firearms can pose risks if misused, the risk profile of the P320, even under responsible handling, has proven to be exceptional and unacceptable to us.

    Our Commitment to You

    This decision was not made lightly, but it was made with clarity. Our mission is to offer an environment where safety, education, and trust are always at the forefront. We remain committed to monitoring industry developments, manufacturer guidance, and legal outcomes—and will adjust our policy only if and when sufficient corrective action is taken and independently validated.

    We appreciate your understanding and continued support. If you have questions about this policy or need help finding alternative options for training or competition, our team is more than happy to assist.


    Respectfully,
    The XXXXXXXXXXX Team
  • Konstantin
    Member
    • Oct 2024
    • 31

    #2
    The P320 has not been allowed at the N.T.C. live fire range where my wife works for a while now.

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    • Sanders
      Moderator
      • Oct 2024
      • 1007

      #3
      If you ever wanted a P320, it looks like Sig is running some specials.

      meme9.jpg

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      • GimpyPaw
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2024
        • 214

        #4
        Yea, there’s too much video evidence of that gun doing it’s own thing. It might be poor maintenance, failure to keep debris out of the holster, a weakened spring or tolerance stacking issues, but something is going on that isn’t happening to other designs.

        If the fire control unit is so safe and flawless on the 320 why did Sig come up with a completely different design for the 365?

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        • Sanders
          Moderator
          • Oct 2024
          • 1007

          #5
          Originally posted by GimpyPaw
          Yea, there’s too much video evidence of that gun doing it’s own thing. It might be poor maintenance, failure to keep debris out of the holster, a weakened spring or tolerance stacking issues, but something is going on that isn’t happening to other designs.

          If the fire control unit is so safe and flawless on the 320 why did Sig come up with a completely different design for the 365?
          They have a milled fire control for the 365 and stamped sheet metal for the 320 with loose tolerances. In other words, they went cheap on the 320 compared to the 365. Their CEO is the same dude who ran Kimber into the ground - taking that company from one of the best 1911 manufacturers to one of the worst.

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          • aviator
            Administrator
            • Oct 2024
            • 1273

            #6
            Originally posted by Sanders

            They have a milled fire control for the 365 and stamped sheet metal for the 320 with loose tolerances. In other words, they went cheap on the 320 compared to the 365. Their CEO is the same dude who ran Kimber into the ground - taking that company from one of the best 1911 manufacturers to one of the worst.
            I took apart a 365 to clean it really well for an old friend of ours, she's a nature photographer and likes to go places armed. I was not impressed with the innards, everything looked like cheaply made tin can metal. I didn't say anything to her but I didn't like what I saw so if the 320 is cheaper than that.....there goes the neighborhood.

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            • GimpyPaw
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2024
              • 214

              #7
              Yea, I've bought a 365 for my wife and another for my son. They shoot well, and are conveniently compact, but with Sig's response and the obvious quality control issues that are coming up those will be the last Sigs I ever buy.

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              • Sanders
                Moderator
                • Oct 2024
                • 1007

                #8
                Originally posted by GimpyPaw
                Yea, I've bought a 365 for my wife and another for my son. They shoot well, and are conveniently compact, but with Sig's response and the obvious quality control issues that are coming up those will be the last Sigs I ever buy.
                Then there's Sig's customer service, which, according to those who have dealt with them, basically tells the customers that, "F-you, there's nothing wrong with our guns. It's you!" Then they'll sue to make sure you keep using it, like they did with a Washington State PD that took them off their officers.

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                • Johnny
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2024
                  • 408

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Sanders

                  Then there's Sig's customer service, which, according to those who have dealt with them, basically tells the customers that, "F-you, there's nothing wrong with our guns. It's you!" Then they'll sue to make sure you keep using it, like they did with a Washington State PD that took them off their officers.
                  Even if Sig has a bad product, there's no excuse for poor customer service or heavy-handed lawyer tactics. Gun owners are unforgiving and have long memories. Wife called Walther customer service a while back. While they did fix the problem, their demeanor and tone wasn't polite or friendly. It was defensive. It hasn't soured either of us on Walther guns, but it's a small factor in our future purchasing decisions.

                  Despite all the uproar about Sig, I've never even handled a 320 and am not convinced there's even a problem. There's so much misinformation and emotion, I'm not sure what's correct, so would only really trust my own hands. When the Beretta M9 replaced the M1911, I heard the same voices.
                  Last edited by Johnny; 08-03-2025, 07:29 AM.

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                  • Solid Snake
                    Forklift certified
                    • Oct 2024
                    • 253

                    #10
                    I've seen videos of the 320 failing drop tests. As if that's not bad enough, I recently saw a video of a police officer's 320 accidentally discharge....while it was secured in his holster!

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                    • Sanders
                      Moderator
                      • Oct 2024
                      • 1007

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Solid Snake
                      I've seen videos of the 320 failing drop tests. As if that's not bad enough, I recently saw a video of a police officer's 320 accidentally discharge....while it was secured in his holster!
                      There's video after video now showing guys making them go off just by squeezing the slide.

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                      • GARANDNUT
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2024
                        • 174

                        #12
                        Springfield or Glock don't have this issue and I am sure S&W doesn't either so I see no reason why there is such consternation over this. If you own one sell it. If not don't buy it. Sig is nothing special. What I do not like is they have pawned this crap off on our military.

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                        • Sanders
                          Moderator
                          • Oct 2024
                          • 1007

                          #13
                          Glock doesn't have a fully cocked striker - the cocking is completed at the trigger squeeze. The Springfield has a grip safety and a trigger safety. No sure what S&W uses on their striker fired design.

                          Looks like guys are starting to walk back their criticism of the Sig P320, though.

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                          • GARANDNUT
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2024
                            • 174

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Sanders
                            Glock doesn't have a fully cocked striker - the cocking is completed at the trigger squeeze. The Springfield has a grip safety and a trigger safety. No sure what S&W uses on their striker fired design.

                            Looks like guys are starting to walk back their criticism of the Sig P320, though.

                            https://youtu.be/ihm74aIwmrA
                            I thought they all worked like the Glock. This explains why the sig has such a nice trigger for a plastic pistol.

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