Lest we forget, Sunday December 7th 1941.

[Klauss]

84 years ago, a day which will live in infamy.

Lest we forget.

[44044]

Fuck the Japs

[Sanders]

Fuck the Japs

And FDR, who allowed it to happen.

[4thIDvet]

NEVER FORGET WHAT THOSE F$%KING FILTHY JAPS DID TO OUR AND OUR ALLIES P.O.WS. PLUS THE RAPE OF NANKING AND ALL CIVILIANS IN LANDS THEY CONFISCATED. MAY ALL F$%KING JAPS DIE.

"Behind every blade of grass a gun." An armed America is a safe America.

[4thIDvet]

And FDR, who allowed it to happen.

FDR not only knew they were on the way he knew exactly what time they would hit the island.

[dinkydow]

Some years ago while attending a gathering at Tadmor Shrine, sitting at a table with several other vets, I had a long conversation with a US Army, Batan Death March survivor. Mostly he talked while I listened and occasionally asked a question. When I think back to that occasion the information I was exposed to by a fellow vet...boggles my mind. Did you know that all returned survivors of THAT were required to sign Non Disclosure Agreements with the War Department... To NEVER disclose ANY first hand accounts of their experiences at the hands of the Japanese military? I didn't know that, then. For several hours the BDM survivor recounted his experiences. He also said, " fuck 'em, what they gonna do, send me on another death march?" He also showed me his BDM association membership card. Other than the march itself where the American POW's were marched without food or water and were quickly bayonettedto death, if they dropped out... I had never heard of what the survivor told me. I heard a tale of deliberate cruelty, war crimes and executions that will live in my mind for the rest of my life. Towards the end of our talk he told me that, "America should have turned Japan into a smoking and burning atomic wasteland."

[aviator]

I've told the story but I'lll say it one more time. A few years ago we went to Hawaii and of course I visited the Harbor, I walked around, took a few pictures and sat on a bench they have overlooking the bay and the memorial. All was quiet around me and I started hearing explosions, airplanes and people yelling. Strange feeling, my wife shook me out of it.

[Sanders]

Never forget, or forgive.

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[4thIDvet]

Some years ago while attending a gathering at Tadmor Shrine, sitting at a table with several other vets, I had a long conversation with a US Army, Batan Death March survivor. Mostly he talked while I listened and occasionally asked a question. When I think back to that occasion the information I was exposed to by a fellow vet...boggles my mind. Did you know that all returned survivors of THAT were required to sign Non Disclosure Agreements with the War Department... To NEVER disclose ANY first hand accounts of their experiences at the hands of the Japanese military? I didn't know that, then. For several hours the BDM survivor recounted his experiences. He also said, " fuck 'em, what they gonna do, send me on another death march?" He also showed me his BDM association membership card. Other than the march itself where the American POW's were marched without food or water and were quickly bayonettedto death, if they dropped out... I had never heard of what the survivor told me. I heard a tale of deliberate cruelty, war crimes and executions that will live in my mind for the rest of my life. Towards the end of our talk he told me that, "America should have turned Japan into a smoking and burning atomic wasteland."

Good read thank you dinky. We have spoken about this BDM a bit before. I also as I mentioned spoke with a survivor. That march was a fraction of the horrors of what those want to be warriors did to not just our military but to women and children every damn place they captured. P.O.W.s in a time of absolute necessity 'D Day Landing' were sadly eliminated but sadly both sides Nazis and allies did it.
The Japs were as brutal as the Nazis it just was not as broadcast or known to the extent of what the Germans did. Jap Drs. experimenting on allies sending them off to Russia to experiment on, tossing our men overboard after being picked up at sea. I through readings was fully aware of the 'non disclosures' placed on our WWII P.O.W.s..
Our govt. also passed laws that the X P.O.W.s could NOT sue the filthy jap bastards. Cold war was building and we needed the stinking Japs as allies.
I am overwhelmed with joy when I read of their nuke plant killing Jap civilians or tsunamis washing them out to sea. Slowly our history books and documentaries reveal what the bastards did to humans. Please Mrs. Karma keep up the good work I pray they all suffer and die.

[GARANDNUT]

The older I get the more I hate brown people and Europeans. All these two groups have done is kill our young people, steal our money and commit crime. They fucked the world up, we didn't yet we are blamed. Oh we must be more like the Euro-trash... our greatest allies...must sacrifice our children and treasure on the alter of their adventurism and ancient tribal feuds, blah, blah, blah. There was a time when Japan had close ties with the US, then our queer love affair with the British and bolsheviks turned them into an enemy. The more I meditate on it the more obvious it is that WWII should not have involved us.

Oh and fuck the chinks/slopes/japs/nips/zipperheads, ect....

[dinkydow]

FDR not only knew they were on the way he knew exactly what time they would hit the island.

I have beard a lot of talk on THAT very subject. So far I will agree that FDR knew war with Japan was on the horizon. I have seen nothing that indicated FDR knew when...or...precisely where the first shots would be fired.

One of my classmates' fathers was a retired three star general USAF officer. He was a pilot in the Flying Tigers, Volunteer Air Group in China. He was shot down and hidden by the Chinese until he could make his way back to US control. By then...WWII had begun for the US . (Pearl Harbor) I asked lots of questions of him and be was not shy about his WWII experiences. Lots of pics on walls and shelves detailing his flying experiences in THAT time period. I didn't know that the flight of B-17 bombers inbound to Pearl Harbor on 12-7-1941 from the US mainland was then going to refuel and then be flown to China, to aid the USVAG by bombing Japanese tactical positions there while being supported by the P-40's. The General was a SAC airbase commander and had been in command of an US airbase in England where my former classmate attended school.

[dinkydow]

WW2 was not my war. Korea wasn't my war either. My Dad fought in both. I have been to Japan a number of times and spent a thirty day leave there with one of my Army buddies who had family there. Japan is about the cleanest place I have ever been. The people all seemed very polite and friendly. I visited Heroshima, the atomic bomb memorial. It was sobering. But...if there had not been a Pearl Harbor, there would not have been a Hiroshima. All of that bullshit about FDR "forcing" us to enter WW2 is just that BULLSHIT. READ YOUR HISTORY! I agree that FDR's "new deal" and the WPA might have been done differently. I recently read a post on Free Republic, that outlined "factoids" that argued that FDR forced us into WW2 to boost the economy. The article was...of course...total bullshit...kind of a fake news story. The dates didn't even line up with reality.

[Johnny]

I've told the story but I'lll say it one more time. A few years ago we went to Hawaii and of course I visited the Harbor, I walked around, took a few pictures and sat on a bench they have overlooking the bay and the memorial. All was quiet around me and I started hearing explosions, airplanes and people yelling. Strange feeling, my wife shook me out of it.

You're not alone. Sometimes places seem to "hold" memories. I'm not a very sensitive guy (just ask my wife) but even I feel it. There's one corner of our acreage that's like that. It's an old homestead probably circa 1900-1930. All that's remaining is the foundation and an old sand point well that I restored. There's something about that location that's just peaceful and relaxing. Even the dogs love this place.

[dinkydow]

I visited Pearl Harbor in 1991 along with an Uncle who was an Arizona survivor. His other brothers were still aboard, then, as he is now. The Arizona memorial brought tears to my eyes as a bugler played "taps" and my Uncle tossed his Brothers and Shipmates a wreath while rendering a hand salute. The USN really supported him and several other Arizona survivors being there who also who tossed wreaths into the harbors water over the wreck/war grave. Now....they are ALL GONE.

NEVER FORGET THEM.

[GARANDNUT]

WW2 was not my war. Korea wasn't my war either. My Dad fought in both. I have been to Japan a number of times and spent a thirty day leave there with one of my Army buddies who had family there. Japan is about the cleanest place I have ever been. The people all seemed very polite and friendly. I visited Heroshima, the atomic bomb memorial. It was sobering. But...if there had not been a Pearl Harbor, there would not have been a Hiroshima. All of that bullshit about FDR "forcing" us to enter WW2 is just that BULLSHIT. READ YOUR HISTORY! I agree that FDR's "new deal" and the WPA might have been done differently. I recently read a post on Free Republic, that outlined "factoids" that argued that FDR forced us into WW2 to host the economy. The article was...of course...total bullshit...kind of a fake news story. The dates didn't even line up with reality.

I could not agree more. The problem with this conspiracy is that it does not consider that FDR did not force the Japs to attack. If he knew they were on their way that did not relieve them of their culpability. Also, the US was not prepared for war. There were only 300K men in uniform at the beginning of WWII and most of our more advanced weapons systems were not in full production, and we still relied on WWI tech at the beginning except for our super advanced navy. The other thing is the brass did not really have faith in the effectiveness of aircraft carriers which were at sea on maneuvers at the time of the attack. Commands favorite naval vessel was the battleship and if FDR knew the attack was imminent then he would have been criminally insane to allow the Japs to destroy what was believed to be our premier vessels.