Zelensky says he is ready to sign deal he previously rejected

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  • aviator
    Administrator
    • Oct 2024
    • 2176

    #16
    Europe got their shit together I read from BBC after Trump threw the guy out. Macron and Starmer got on the phone with Trump, they are also increasing their defense spending and advising the little guy to take the deal and they will all , along with Trump negotiate with Russia but, and here comes the catch, they want US to offer security. No, Europe must offer security, why is it always the US? We always get stuck with the expense and dead bodies, fuck them.
    Sometimes I wish I had a Harry Potter's wand and make people go up into smoke.

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    • 4thIDvet
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      • Oct 2024
      • 1669

      #17
      Originally posted by GARANDNUT
      This reveals how incredibly weak Western Europe is. After the dust up at the White House, Germany and UK immediately said they were prepared to increase military spending, send troops and go it alone. Now they meet with Zelenskyy and tell him to crawl back to Trump to beg for my tax money. Why, because they cannot and will not "go it alone". They cannot and will not increase military spending or send troops. They do not have the logistic capability to move their troops and supply lines without the US, they do not have the military reserves, and their population will not give up the social welfare programs to pay for it all. Those who are not getting their 10% have been telling the Europeans to increase military spending and be prepared. This was going on as far back as Reagan. They claimed 40 years ago to be creating a European rapid reaction force--they never did. The Euro fighter took almost 40 years to develop and when it started flying was antiquated. They have been sucking our tit for so long they do not even know how to "go it alone". Even our so called allies (I now doubt we have any that we do not buy) in Eastern Europe are unable to "go it alone".

      This is our leverage that none of them have and they will bend their knee. Europe does not have the power they did in WWI and WWII to drag the US into yet another of their stupid regional conflict. Since their mindset is perpetually stuck in 1938, much like the Russians and their fixation on WWII, they do not realize they have no power to back up the rhetoric.
      Frigging A GARANDNUT and whoops yes sir their it is in a nutshell.. 😀👍👍

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      • aviator
        Administrator
        • Oct 2024
        • 2176

        #18
        Read my post, just now they decided to do something they should have done 50 years ago
        Sometimes I wish I had a Harry Potter's wand and make people go up into smoke.

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        • 4thIDvet
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          • Oct 2024
          • 1669

          #19
          Originally posted by 55chevy

          Don't send just THEIR kids! Send THEM and their kids!
          Frigging A 55chevy and we finally have a pres. that is saying JUST THAT.
          The left is calling Pres. Trump a commie lover kissing Putin's ass. European nations are shocked America is not paying for every F$%KING thing and letting our youth die. Well F$%K them get used to it we are DONE with that sheeet.

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          • aviator
            Administrator
            • Oct 2024
            • 2176

            #20
            Originally posted by 4thIDvet

            Frigging A 55chevy and we finally have a pres. that is saying JUST THAT.
            The left is calling Pres. Trump a commie lover kissing Putin's ass. European nations are shocked America is not paying for every F$%KING thing and letting our youth die. Well F$%K them get used to it we are DONE with that sheeet.
            Until the next Democrat comes along.
            Sometimes I wish I had a Harry Potter's wand and make people go up into smoke.

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            • GARANDNUT
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2024
              • 345

              #21
              Originally posted by aviator
              Europe got their shit together I read from BBC after Trump threw the guy out. Macron and Starmer got on the phone with Trump, they are also increasing their defense spending and advising the little guy to take the deal and they will all , along with Trump negotiate with Russia but, and here comes the catch, they want US to offer security. No, Europe must offer security, why is it always the US? We always get stuck with the expense and dead bodies, fuck them.
              Europe did not get their shit together after three years of war in Ukraine. They were warned in 2016 by Trump to get it together and they called him a Russian agent that likes to be pissed on by hookers. They claim an immanent invasion from Russia and are just know getting ready? Germany just barely increased their military budget to 2% and they have the largest economy in Europe. The Eastern Europeans are carrying the load in Europe, which is good. But old W Europe, with maybe France as an exception, has done little. Do not forget that in 1939 France and the USSR had the largest military's in the world. The US was ranked 17 in the world with 300,000 men in uniform. In less than three years there was 22 million men in uniform and a liberty ship was leaving dry dock every month and so much weapons and material was produced we were repurposing WWII 500lb bombs to use in the first gulf war. That is what getting ready looks like.

              What Europe is doing, again except the Eastern members, is token at best. They all rely heavily on US equipment and they have only marginal heavy lift capability. Big military is fine as is expenditure but without logistics, domestic weapons systems and the will to use it, it is all useless.

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              • 10-32
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2024
                • 415

                #22
                Fuckin bolsheviks. Patton was right.

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                • Pogo
                  Mystic Knight of the sea
                  • Oct 2024
                  • 621

                  #23
                  Originally posted by 10-32
                  Fuckin bolsheviks. Patton was right.
                  And MacArthur was right about invading China.
                  We have met the enemy and he is us.

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                  • Bluntforce
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2024
                    • 418

                    #24
                    Last two posts: F’n A!

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                    • aviator
                      Administrator
                      • Oct 2024
                      • 2176

                      #25
                      Garand, the number of men in uniform is meaningless today when battles are fought by remote control drones, satellite detection and missiles fired miles away.
                      Sometimes I wish I had a Harry Potter's wand and make people go up into smoke.

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                      • Sanders
                        Moderator
                        • Oct 2024
                        • 1527

                        #26
                        Sorry, Z - terms have changed. You now need to resign and go into exile and Ukraine needs to have free and fair elections.

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                        • Sanders
                          Moderator
                          • Oct 2024
                          • 1527

                          #27
                          Tucker Carlson: Ukrainians are the richest people in Europe. Over half the military equipment that's been sent there has been sold to other countries.

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                          • 10-32
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2024
                            • 415

                            #28
                            The reason he is clinging to war is that peace would mean he gets replaced. That would lead to audits of all the cash and as noted above, shady sales of military aid. That all leads back to our swamp. I read he has over $1B in offshore accts and a mansion in Florida. If true, Kash and Pam are going to be very busy. Maybe the Azov guys will just hang him from a lamp post in Kiev and be done.

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