President Trump switched sides on Ukraine.

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  • 500grains
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2024
    • 121

    President Trump switched sides on Ukraine.

    No more weapons to Ukraine, even if another country is paying for them.
    No more intel for Ukraine.

    Now it is much harder for Ukraine to hold its territory on the battlefield.

    It seems Trump has switched sides.

    Personally I think handing Ukraine to Russia rewards Russian aggression and will result in Russia trying to take the Baltic states in 3 years.

    It wont take much to push Russia into a collapse at this point. Just give UKR missiles to knock down the cracking towers at Russia's top 30 refineries. No fuel, no war.

    So why did Trump switch sides?

    Don't give me a bunch of baloney about saving lives (no one cares), or Zelensky is corrupt (so is Biden...), or Zelensky uses cocaine (he can snort all of the coke in the western hemisphere as long as he kills Russians and I will be happy).

    Tell me why we should not take this opportunity to destroy the country that has been threatening me with nuclear annihilation for my whole life.

    Dead Russians bring me joy. Please provide more.
  • GARANDNUT
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2024
    • 307

    #2
    Your mind is made up so this is all an exercise in mental masturbation, but I will bite. Maybe you should consider what would happen if Russia collapses. Sitting on a common boarder is China. Russia is occupying Chinese land in Siberia. All China has to do is walk across the boarder. Then they gain what they never had, energy resources. They will no longer be dependent on outside support for their energy. This will make China a leviathan over which we have no control. Russia, like it or not, is a bull-work against this. The Chinese and Russians are not allies. They fought boarder skirmishes as recently as the 1970s. It was China that Putin threatened with nuke war when he said no country should attempt to take advantage of the war. This was not directed at the US. Also, we have seen the Russia will not yield. They will fight to the end no matter what it takes. Will the US do this? No, most of the population sees no point in this other than the fossil neocons of which you are one. We pissed away a victory in Afghanistan because the machine wanted more blood and endless wars. They do not understand however, what is at stake here. This is not some mild proxy war they can work both sides and fight forever. Also, a peace deal at least preserves what is left of Ukraine. If the lines collapse then the entire country will fall and Russia will be right on the boarder with Poland. Their troops are battle hardened and they have learned how to cope with drone warfare. They have access to our weapons now and will know how to counter them. Also, we have been sending our weapons reserves to Ukraine and those are not being replaced at a fast enough pace to ramp up in months to fight this.

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    • 10-32
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2024
      • 395

      #3
      Global realignment. Zelensky is done. We will run Ukraine. Russia will retain the eastern areas populated by Russians. NATO is no longer relevant. EU will need to do some soul searching and figure out who they want to be. The post WW2 world order is being redefined.

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      • collector rob
        Junior Member
        • Feb 2025
        • 14

        #4
        Good. Fuck Ukraine, Russia and Europe. Let them figure it out. We have enough problems at home.

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        • aviator
          Administrator
          • Oct 2024
          • 2015

          #5
          "The enemy of my enemy is my friend", our enemy is China.
          Sometimes I wish I had a Harry Potter's wand and make people go up into smoke.

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          • Pogo
            Pogo commented
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            Yes Russia doesn't have the capability to be a threat to the US. But China does.
        • Retvet
          Moderator
          • Oct 2024
          • 541

          #6
          Originally posted by aviator
          "The enemy of my enemy is my friend", our enemy is China.
          Fucking A right!

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          • 4thIDvet
            Slug
            • Oct 2024
            • 1571

            #7
            O.K. I will take Pres. Trump for $1,000 Alex. Good luck Tim thank you Alex.
            "Pres Trump has already made a back door deal with Putin while we were all sleeping. Trump does not sleep much. We stop all military support of Ukraine and ask the EU to do likewise. Russia will stop slinging lead pulling its troops back to the east of Ukraine where its mostly X Russians supporting Russia. Now we get mineral rights from Ukraine to help pay back what the idiot Slow Joe and the Dumbocrats gave Dem.. $$ Europe will have to toss in big bucks to rebuild or they can fight the Ruskies when they hit Poland next. Without the largest arms dealers equipment that would be 'America' Ukraine is toast."

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            • 4thIDvet
              Slug
              • Oct 2024
              • 1571

              #8
              Originally posted by aviator
              "The enemy of my enemy is my friend", our enemy is China.
              They are our enemy aviator but I really really don't think anyone is going to be pushing the 'red' button with this fight. 500grains knows Taiwan pretty good so he could probably say best. Their expansion with all those island their making that seem to be not working I guess is so they can claim drilling rights? Just a guess?
              The news loves it when one of our U.S. Navy ships gets to close for comfort to theirs and holy sheeet their gonna start shooting. Russia does the same to us off Alaska every few months with their bombers and we go up and get close to them. They ain't going to shoot they flip each other the middle finger and have a good laugh.
              War? the fight will be with the dollar and Yuan tariffs and to see how much crap they can send WallyWorld while they buy our treasury notes to balance the playing field. But now we have the best money man deal maker the world has ever seen on our side. So enemies? nah I call it friendly sparring over who gets the best deal.
              Sic em Pres. Trump.. 😎

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              • Wraith
                Member
                • Oct 2024
                • 41

                #9
                The whole shit show in Ukraine was completely avoidable Lewinsky was all ready to sign the Minsk Accord then PM Johnson told him not to. I heard the other day that the KIA for Ukraine is up to 1.8 million now and I'm sure the numbers are just as high for the Russians. And now the New World order wants other countries to send people into the meat grinder to continue it. America is broke Her credit card is maxed out we can't afford to put any more money into this fiasco. This needs to be resolved before America gets dragged in any deeper with NATO Invoking article 5 .

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                • 55chevy
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2024
                  • 177

                  #10
                  Originally posted by Wraith
                  And now the New World order wants other countries to send people into the meat grinder to continue it. .
                  They can go SUCK eggs! Curious how some may spell eggs. 😁

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                  • 10-32
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2024
                    • 395

                    #11
                    Originally posted by Wraith
                    The whole shit show in Ukraine was completely avoidable Lewinsky was all ready to sign the Minsk Accord then PM Johnson told him not to. I heard the other day that the KIA for Ukraine is up to 1.8 million now and I'm sure the numbers are just as high for the Russians. And now the New World order wants other countries to send people into the meat grinder to continue it. America is broke Her credit card is maxed out we can't afford to put any more money into this fiasco. This needs to be resolved before America gets dragged in any deeper with NATO Invoking article 5 .
                    Freudian slip. (Blue because dresses come in blue and so do presidents)

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