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  • GARANDNUT
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2024
    • 374

    BS about Ukraine Aid

    The media and Ukraine fan boy talking points is now that the US has done nothing for Ukraine. Well I decided to crunch some numbers and dig into the data from sites other than the MSM. It turns out the US has given more aid to Ukraine than any other country. The EU's pledges allegedly will exceed US aid but to date it is nothing but promises. The feckless organs in the media claim the US did not send what Trump claimed was 300 b dollars in aid. What they misrepresent is Ukraine has received 300b from NATO allies and some Asian donors. So instead of listening to what Trump said in context they only looked at aid approved by congress which is around $160b dollars (incredibly the true number is unknown). This does not take into account the aid given by the US that is not from Congressional appropriation. It also ignores the fact during Trump's first term he sent several million in aid including sending advisors from the TN and Cali national guard, Javelin missiles, logistic support, radar and satellite systems. They also do not take note of the fact the US has sent more aid to Ukraine in three years than the entire budget for the Marines during that same time. Looking at EUs defense budgets for all Nato members they still only budget around 1.5 % of their GDP to defense despite the hand flapping about having to go it alone. Its all bullshit from our alleged allies.

    To date, Ukraine has received more aid from the West than Russia has spent on the war--300b from countries supporting Ukraine v 250b cost to Russia. Yet the Ukrainians, like an angry drunk bum, demand more and claim it is not enough. They seem to forget that when the war escalated during the invasion Germany was still buying fuel from Ukraine yet Trump is the enemy? I cannot find specific numbers because they are murky but I will bet more aid has been sent to Ukraine during Trump's two terms than Biden sent. Yet Trump is hated by the pro Ukrainian crowd. Norway, remember Erik's rants, defense budget appropriation is the second lowest only slightly more than Spain. So much for the EU bluster. I am starting to believe we have no allies we do not buy. Further, there is no question the weapons systems have degraded our stock piles and hindered our troops ability to train of which I have first hand knowledge.

    I am still waiting on France's and Germany's promise to send troops to Ukraine.
  • Retvet
    Moderator
    • Oct 2024
    • 597

    #2
    America has been carrying the burden of Europe and too many other countries since before WW1.

    IMO we have no allies. Just countries not openly stabbing us in the back in exchange for token allegiance at best.

    Given the extent to which most of Europe has been overrun by n!ggers and jihadists, I'd say fuck them. We should pull everything militarily out and leave them to their own shitshow.
    Last edited by Retvet; 06-09-2025, 03:26 PM.

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    • ColonelKorn
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2024
      • 284

      #3
      I was in Kiev in 2012 while our Special Forces were laying groundwork for the coup. Saw those motherfuckers les than a block from my apartment. Fuck Ukraine

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      • aviator
        Administrator
        • Oct 2024
        • 2385

        #4
        Originally posted by Retvet
        America has been carrying the burden of Europe and too many other countries since before WW1.

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        And all of that to be hated by them.
        Sometimes I wish I had a Harry Potter's wand and make people go up into smoke.

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        • 4thIDvet
          Slug
          • Oct 2024
          • 1866

          #5
          The 'Ugly American' oh I have seen them in my travels and its not just a saying with empty overtones their real. Want to see them? Visit the major tourist sites of any foreign land oh the famous ones we all know. Watch the fat pigs roll out of the tour busses 'Were Americans get the frig out of the way were going to the front of the line, where's the food we eat first.'
          Sadly that is not America but that is what a lot of citizens see. Even with that every kid I spoke with desperately wants to come to America. Hate us but risk their lives to come here. So maybe their is hope?

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          • Sanders
            Moderator
            • Oct 2024
            • 1639

            #6
            My opinion on Ukraine vs. Russia is the same as the one I hold on Israel vs. everyone else.

            Not my circus, not my clowns.

            America first.

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            • aviator
              Administrator
              • Oct 2024
              • 2385

              #7
              Originally posted by Sanders
              My opinion on Ukraine vs. Russia is the same as the one I hold on Israel vs. everyone else.

              Not my circus, not my clowns.

              America first.
              I agree...but....if we would have said the same thing back in 1940's we would be speaking German now and I find Russian very difficult to learn, besides I hate them mother fuckers.
              Sometimes I wish I had a Harry Potter's wand and make people go up into smoke.

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              • ColonelKorn
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2024
                • 284

                #8
                Originally posted by aviator

                I agree...but....if we would have said the same thing back in 1940's we would be speaking German now and I find Russian very difficult to learn, besides I hate them mother fuckers.
                I learned both. Forgot most of my German

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                • 55chevy
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2024
                  • 209

                  #9
                  My dad was born in Germany, when the family came here they refused and forbade German to be spoken. their attitude was WE are in America and we shall speak American.

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