Glock replacement

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I, like many here have been handling toys for 60 years or more, perhaps I'm old fashioned but to say a Glock is safer than a 1911 is a bit far fetched, Guns are like aviation, very unforgiving if you fuck up and most AD's are finger induced and guns are not to be dropped.

While I love them, 1911s aren’t drop-safe. Glocks only go off if you pull the trigger. Don’t do that, there won’t be no problems.

1911s can fire from dropping, bumping too hard, and more importantly, they can fail to fire for a whole host of reasons, too.

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Here is a part by part movie showing how a Glock works...too many things can wear out or get dirty and stop functioning as engineers designed them to work...too complicated, the more parts involved the higher the risk of something going wrong.

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Glock has fewer parts than almost any other pistol. Depending on Generation, Glocks have 34 parts.

Smith & Wesson M&Ps have 46 parts.

A 1911 has around 58/59/60 parts to function depending on who made it.

Beretta 92s have 65 parts, and a CZ75 has 67.



When the US military went to replace the 1911, the Sig and Berettas could fire twice as many rounds between failures as 1911s.

When the M9 was replaced, the Glock was more durable and reliable than any pistol the US military had ever tested. Contract went to Sig for the P320, which wasn’t as reliable; which has 52 parts for the standard model and 56 parts for the manual safety model.

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While I love them, 1911s aren’t drop-safe. Glocks only go off if you pull the trigger. Don’t do that, there won’t be no problems.

1911s can fire from dropping, bumping too hard, and more importantly, they can fail to fire for a whole host of reasons, too.

I'm no expert on 1911s but if my memory serves the series 70 has no firing pin block but the series 80 does. I may be misremembering. I no longer own any 1911s.

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My 1911 fell out of its holster hard enough to chip the tile in my kitchen and didn't go off. Want your gun to be "drop safe"? Don't drop it and it'll be safe!

Of course, that didn't work on a friend of my dad's whose .45 Colt Peacemaker fell out the holster in a pickup truck and went off (it was an old model with 6 in the cylinder). Bullet went in his ass cheek and came out his shoulder then bounced around in the cab. He showed me the scars.

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I'm no expert on 1911s but if my memory serves the series 70 has no firing pin block but the series 80 does. I may be misremembering. I no longer own any 1911s.

Yes, the S80 guns have a firing pin block to be drop-safe. It adds some parts that have been known to fail over the years and turn the 1911 into a paperweight.

The S80 came along when there was a push away from revolvers to semi-automatics for LE in the 1980s during which time, liability was at the forefront. It seems that most went the way of DA/SA pistols.

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My 1911 fell out of its holster hard enough to chip the tile in my kitchen and didn't go off. Want your gun to be "drop safe"? Don't drop it and it'll be safe!

Of course, that didn't work on a friend of my dad's whose .45 Colt Peacemaker fell out the holster in a pickup truck and went off (it was an old model with 6 in the cylinder). Bullet went in his ass cheek and came out his shoulder then bounced around in the cab. He showed me the scars.

Don’t think anybody goes out with the intention of dropping it, but when the topic of how safe a design is, it has to be pointed out. Glad nobody got hurt when you dropped your 1911! Many companies use heavier firing pin springs to mitigate risk.