Utah made it legal to plug solar panels into wall outlets, and now 30 states

[rto]

Utah has opened the door to a new kind of DIY clean energy: solar panels that plug directly into ordinary wall outlets.

According to UPR, Utah's first-of-its-kind law is already serving as a model, with lawmakers in more than 30 states and the District of Columbia introducing similar ideas.

House Bill 340, backed by Republican state Rep. Raymond Ward, cleared the Utah Legislature unanimously last year. Utah News Connection reported that the measure allows residents to run plug-in solar systems through standard household outlets.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/science/articles/utah-made-legal-plug-solar-063600285.html

I need to learn more about this concept but it sounds like a good idea.

[aviator]

It saves you a dollar a day, imagine that, a million days and it makes you a millionaire.

And to think we do not even live a million hours.

Bet let's look at the numbers. It's going to cost you at least $7,000 to get the system that means you need 7,000 days to get even, which is about 19 years....the typical lifespan of a solar panel in Florida is around 10 years, you will be losing $3,285 in 10 years. Panels lower their output by about 1% a year, however, Florida sun and salty air degrades them even more.

[Klauss]

But at least it saves the planet.

[4thIDvet]

Damn Fred I don't care about the panels. I want to know how the hell long it took you to figure out the price days lifespan seconds and all that sheet? You are like wicked smart buddy you got to have college.

[rto]

Dang Fred, you're no fun.

[baboon]

My idea of solar power is burning ants with a magnifying glass glass & the sun.

[4thIDvet]

My idea of solar power is burning ants with a magnifying glass glass & the sun.

My God those poor ants boon. If PETA sees this were all gonna get it..

[aviator]

Dang Fred, you're no fun.

I know, I'm sorry. Actually I was listening to a couple of ham radio guys talk about it the other day and one who sounded quite old said "I wish they would have told me how long those panels were going to last, I have a few thousands dollars invested, never got any money back and they don't work anymore". It's all a fraud. Even my son wanted to get them, here is a scientist, super smart guy until I did numbers for him. He did buy an electric car though and he is ahead on that, for about $30 a month he goes all over the place....until the battery goes bad. Had to spend money in a certified electrician to do the hookup on both houses, his and the Island place. Look Lithium batteries have a finite life based on number of charges, panels get dirty and eventually cloudy limiting the amount of power they can produce, Not to mention all that metal on top of your roof is a lightning rod. Here we have hurricanes that will knock them off and take a part of your roof with them and all for what?...One Dollar a Day for five six years?

[rto]

Alright I'm convinced. I'll just have to settle for a windmill in my backyard.

[55chevy]

I had a good friend that worked for a large company that built large commercial projects and managed same. He told me a solar panel's life was 20 years maximum. Of course it starts degrading every year on the out put. Do some in depth research before you spend any money! IMO it's just another scam.

[aviator]

I had a good friend that worked for a large company that built large commercial projects and managed same. He told me a solar panel's life was 20 years maximum. Of course it starts degrading every year on the out put. Do some in depth research before you spend any money! IMO it's just another scam.

Max is 20 years, they start degrading since day one by the point by ten years they only put out half, which is pretty much useless except for LED lights and some minor stuff, Then your batteries do not charge at 100% anymore and they also get messed up.

RTO have you seen the new wind turbines for home use?: https://www.inspireuplift.com/5000w-vertical-wind-turbine-generator-small-windmill-free-energy/iu/21613304?variant=473002712&cmp_id=23964420139&adg_ id=197992047575&kwd=&device=c&gad_source=1&gad_cam paignid=23964420139&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjKmIjNiblQMV 8kp_AB28ZhCxEAQYBCABEgJwOPD_BwE

https://54energy.net/products/10000w-vertical-wind-turbine-power-generator-free-energy-alternative-energy-ce-certification-mppt-controller-hybrid-sys?currency=USD&country=US&variant=48304077668669&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=02679ba91bc0&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23614759663&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIydiIsNiblQMVBSvUAR2ucDLZEAQYBiABEgLH8PD_BwE

[rto]

Max is 20 years, they start degrading since day one by the point by ten years they only put out half, which is pretty much useless except for LED lights and some minor stuff, Then your batteries do not charge at 100% anymore and they also get messed up.

RTO have you seen the new wind turbines for home use?: https://www.inspireuplift.com/5000w-vertical-wind-turbine-generator-small-windmill-free-energy/iu/21613304?variant=473002712&cmp_id=23964420139&adg_ id=197992047575&kwd=&device=c&gad_source=1&gad_cam paignid=23964420139&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjKmIjNiblQMV 8kp_AB28ZhCxEAQYBCABEgJwOPD_BwE

https://54energy.net/products/10000w-vertical-wind-turbine-power-generator-free-energy-alternative-energy-ce-certification-mppt-controller-hybrid-sys?currency=USD&country=US&variant=48304077668669&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=02679ba91bc0&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23614759663&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIydiIsNiblQMVBSvUAR2ucDLZEAQYBiABEgLH8PD_BwE

I have not seen them until now, thanks for the links. I'll spend some time doing more research. Tim and I have the same power company and the rates aren't bad and service is good until the power goes out. The wind turbine could take the place of a generator during/after a storm. I'll to check to see if the turbine speed is regulated.

[aviator]

Not bad for the price. I'll do some research on it too. FPL is not so bad, the one for Lee County is a non-profit co-op and that one the rates are great, But this may help after a hurricane. I just saw one the other day installed somewhere.

[rto]

I could see using a wind turbine to heat a pool if the pool is heated year round.

[FloridaAKM]

I have a solar powered back up system that I built on top of a Deuce & a half workshop that has 6 panels on the roof, with 6 deep cycle batteries inside the shop along with all the electronics. The pure sine wave inverter converts battery power into 4kw of continuous power which goes either to the house or another mobile workshop I have.

When the power goes out, I can use this silent power @ night & if the power is still out during the day, I can run either a diesel or gasoline generator to power the house & everything in it.

Would I put in an entire household solar powered system, nope! It cost too much & is not worth it in my case.

[aviator]

I'd need about 30Kw to run my house. 5 ton AC, 5 Ton pool heat pump (not used all the time) two full sized fridges, washer, dryer, 1HP pool motor 6 hrs a day electric range, coffee makers, air fryer, oven dishwasher, outside lights, inside lights (all LED's) ....computers, TV's, network stuff ceiling fans all over. and electric water heater. It's cheaper to buy my own electric company.

[FloridaAKM]

I have no pool, a very small house w/ 2 window units of 18k btu each, power management keeps everything going for me & the power bill is never over $100 even in the hottest summer. Running power management allows me to be comfortable without sweating to death.

No electric oven or water heater, only propane grill for cooking.

I have friends who invested $25 or $30k in solar systems only to pay thru the nose for the rest of their lives for it & then one lightening strike will kit it all.

[merc]

Nope ...

MERC